Nepali Times
CK LAL
Fourth Estate
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CK LAL


KIRAN PANDAY

Like most other capital cities in the underdeveloped world, Kathmandu is almost a self-contained country within a country. It is more connected with the other metropolises of the world than with its own hinterland. As long as its supply lines are open, the residents of Kathmandu do not worry much about whatever is happening elsewhere in the country.

When the Maoist hordes began to arrive for the May Day rallies and subsequent anti-government protests, the denizens of the valley didn't know what to make of them. They looked different, dressed differently, talked in different languages and yet displayed a unity of purpose seldom seen among the middle-class Newar, Bahun, Madhesi and Janjati activists of Kathmandu.

Even though the majority of the nearly four million Nepalis in Kathmandu are first-generation immigrants with living familial ties in ancestral villages, few of us have been able to gauge the level of frustration in the countryside. But for the youngsters of the 15-20 age group (old enough to aspire, but too young to understand the limitations of an underdeveloped economy) the villages hold no jobs, no services and no hope.

Ever since the country embraced wholesale liberalisation, agriculture – the mainstay of the rural economy – has been in a tailspin. Central grants have been used to hire mechanical excavators to dig roads so that mini-trucks carrying cola, beer bottles and biscuits can be delivered safely and cheaply to every doorstep. Remittance inflows and the cash from land sales have been spent to acquire motorbikes and mobile phones that burden one's monthly
budget without adding anything to income.

In a consumer economy, market expansion is more important than building irrigation channels or providing basic services. Community radio or commercial television, everybody advertises soda drinks, noodles or English 'boarding' schools. The media explosion since the 1990s has hardly given voice to the voiceless. It merely magnifies what the centre has to say or sell to the rest of the country.

That could be why so little is known about the people who encircled the city in a red arc running along the entire stretch of the twenty-seven kilometre long Ring Road. Even by conservative estimates, nearly 100,000 stood in a human chain to show that they were here to enforce the will of the periphery. The media has missed the real story in the deluge of news emanating from the residences of the male Bahun politicians who do not seem to realise that they are all in a boat that is barely afloat.

Most participants at the protest rallies have perhaps come to the city of their own accord. At least some have defied the whip of the Youth Force (the militant youth wing of UML) to respond to the call of local Maoist commissars. But the media coverage in Kathmandu has made it look as if gullible villagers have been either lured or threatened into taking part in protest programs.

Media in countries with a flourishing independent press but limited public access to newspapers and television, due to illiteracy and poverty, are inherently right-of-the-centre. The advertising market ensures that it can't be otherwise. Businesses seldom want to upset the applecart of the status quo unless their own interests are at stake. The problem with such a media system is that civil society has limited access to the masses and even less influence upon public opinion.

In the absence of mediated channels of communication, those who work at the grassroots exercise greater powers of persuasion. At least since the mid-nineties, the only mediators villagers in Nepal have seen are the Maoists. True, they have been often brutal in their methods, but at least they are one of their own. In a society where feudal norms are still strong, a tormentor holds the promise of saving one from bigger tyrants.

The mainstream media's antipathy towards the political agenda of the Maoist is somewhat understandable: its advertisers bear no love for the enforcers of donation diktats. But the collective failure to understand the motivation of protestors shows that the Kathmandu-centric media has a long way to go before it can claim to be national.



1. Ram Bahadur
What a pot of shit!

Did Lalu watched TV interview of protesters? When asked why had they come, they replied to ask their "commanders". A commandeered mass is not at its own will.




2. Sunita Tiwari
Sometimes, I don't understand you Mr. Lal. How could I, when you write 'denying free oxygen of publicity' in one column and this in the other. 

Anyway, you hit the nail right on the head this time. So, get ready to get despised by the 'kathmanduities'.


3. zarathustra
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4. pravasi nepali
those gullible gaules have been brought to ktm with the dream of future free supply of masu,cheura with raksi


5. saru
CK Lalji, I think you are the one who is in confusion here, we are very clear these Maoist are nothing but Mafia, looters and todays event shows that they are fascists. They are neither good for workers nor for industrialist or any one as they believe in outdated and failed ideology but I agree they are good one one thing making promises and never fulfilling anything. Concentrate your writing on these issue instead of blaming Kathamanduits for anything and everything. We are tired and fed up.

6. biplab
what a superb piece of analysis. to say that all the protestors have come because of pressure from maoists is naive indeed. people tend to forget that this is the party which won almost 40% of the votes and that its policies have been the vehicle for change over the past few years. no doubt the maoists have a lot to improve as well. but to blindly follow whatever the mainstream media - which is run by a few oligarchs in every country, not only nepal - is to miss the bigger picture.

7. Pramod
Dear Mr CK Lal,
What is your point ,should we be surprised that Maoists have a following of nearly 100000 people ,should we be surprised that the villagers have come to Kathmandu,which in your words is Utopia for most of the peripheral Nepalese.,or should we be surprised that they have managed to coerced or in your own words inspire them to come here??
So apparently Maoist who are bludgeoning people and virtually threatening to kill people if they go against their wishes are the good guys, really ,just because i have a pistol but i don`t shoot ,doesn`t make me a good guy.I read your others article as well ,i think you are getting senile and who can blame you!!!!


8. nishma

Great piece. Mr Lal, we need voices like yours to save us from the lies that are being fed to us. This is your best column so far in the Fourth Estate series.



9. never mind
"In a consumer economy, market expansion is more important than building irrigation channels or providing basic services."

Are you nuts?


10. Rupak
Dear CK Lal.
Really appreciable article. Hard to see people talking truths going beyond their selfdom in Nepalese context.Many don't dare and more than that they explicitly close their eyes among self esteemed buddhijibis. Whatever the cause be but the presence seen in protests is unique portrayal of nepalese culturally diversed people's unified will.

a true analysis so far..


11. binod shah
The media cliams they are the first national channel but they are nothing more than party centered and Kathmandu based. It happens in Nepal only.





12. Chomsky

Dear Mr. Lal,

Great piece. You hit the nail and prove the reverse of the mainstream point that its the Kathmanduites that have been gullible to media propaganda incontrast to the media's claim that majority of protestors have been gullible to maoists propaganda and threats.

Another point implicit is that the media establishment is together with the regime and has declared a propaganda war against the maoists. No wonder we experience rising anti maoist sentiments among KTM denizens. Yes, the maoists have caused atrocities and are a law and order problem but they are the only spear headers with a progressive agenda. It would be great to hear your analysis on the nature of this propoganda and how its causing to stereotype maoists a political party exclusively harboring lumpens and criminals.

 

 



13. krishna
"so little is known about the people who encircled the city in a red arc running along the entire stretch of the twenty-seven kilometre long Ring Road." 

If this is such a big deal, Mr. Lal, then, why didn't you go and interview some of these people and bring their voices to us, the readers? Why did you wait for other media outlets to do this when you knew that they weren't interested? 
The fact that you could not even haul your sorry bottom to do some on-the-ground interviews, conversations and reporting yourself shows that your whole point is not to do some serious journalism but to sit on your arm-chair gathering  masala to beat on the same theme of "Nepali media is not doing enough" to satisfy whichever donor agency that's been funding your this extracurricular trip into the domain of "media study".


14. Steve
This is exactly what's happening with nepali media. They are playing with people's brain in a way that they push whatever they believe or whatever they want people to believe. Nice analysis Mr. Lal.  


15. KG
lal, go beat up a few from the priveleged classes in ktm.  go ahead..you've earned it.  you've made me proud.

16. reb

There was a time I looked forward to reading CK and the Nepali Times.  But lately, with this type of spin, purposefully downplaying that many of the un-kathmanduite daughters and sons of the good earth were forced to come to the City through maoist arsenal of coersions, to impose ones bias while trying to sound erudite is nothing but either self delusion or barely concealable wish to prop-up the goondas, the daakas, the fattaas for whatever reasons.  The 1000's of people leaving Kathmandu every day through every nook and corner of the valley, crying on the way out while stating that they were forced to either to donate either the legs and arms or to donate their bread and butter.  Enough of this holier-than-thou from Nepali Times editior (who once hinted that since Paras starting composing poems he must be becoming enlightened) and the commentators.  Like the blue-blooded royalists, the me-first professional politicians of all parties, the forked-tounged maoists, the delusioned civil society know-it-alls, the blinders-on human rightists, you have also lost the luster and hallo that you all had managed to create around you.  You have all acquired knowledge as all can see, wisdom, which is innate, seems to be lacking.

I still enjoy reading the Ass, since the donkey's bray makes more sense than the master's sermons.

Masters: please pardon us for questioning and doubting you, we should know our place. What can we do, the maoist have taught us to question you all, what an irony.  Your loyal reader.



17. surya
Dear Mr. Lal,
Namskar...

You are great craftman with your words and you are one of the few smart person we have in society. You are the upper crust of the society who is used to change the words with the pace of time or you do that according to the diktat of comrades who ever he she might be. Whatever colour he she might carry be it red yellow or green.
You know I exactly know how you will respond to the question like - why you dont like brahmins? Your answer will be .. "You know It's not Brahmans  I would like to implicate particularly its more towards the elite group of intelligentsia who have been ruling the country and I want to implicate that- not the cast itself" My query will to you now deep down the gut of your intellengentia do you think its not homogenous with brahmins more  than any other casts or I think you dont know other cast system that well ... You really need to to know how Gurung, Rai, Newar, Tamang social structure is formed? Its more or less in same pace and your interpretation in interpaid with oath of antipathy towards one who have recognized your mindset time and again. I am sorry but its dearly true.
I been reading your articles with so much of affection but you are radical in yourself. Look at how you denounce the brahmin cast aren't you racial or have antipathy on the some group. In your repeated interviews you been projecting yourself as a nostradamus of nepali politics and we are damn sure you are voicing the unheard heads or honchos of nepali political sphere. It doesn't have to be local...... I understand you understand the intentions of yours quite frankly but as you change the side we can as well and there will be less smart readers for you down the line. As you been so inconsistent with the your dearly words lately.

Your
Beef eater Brahmin.


18. Jeffrey
This is Lal (Dhoj?) at his most sanctimonious and opinionated. Only I know what is right, only I have the truth, everyone else is a bigot. Come to me, you ignorant masses so I can dispense with my wisdom. Such self-righteous drivel. That's it for me, I am skipping Lal from next time, his smugness makes me nauseous.


19. Ramesh Adhikari
I am fully agree with you mr. C.K. Lal. Those who are against your article, they are not getting the ground reality of the nepali society and the Media politics. The Kathmandu media are not for the people because they do not publish the peoples voice rather they are the agents of the Neo- liberal economy. I want to say the Nepali Times House- Dear you are also the same. you could not come out from that politics. If you want to be in heart of the Nepali people's heart, leave to become the obeying dog of the Capitalists.

20. Sanjay

I miss the point of the article. You seem to say that a road is a bad thing? I travelled to a village just 3 hours away from kathmandu. (by jeep in a fresh newly dug road). They are now selling milk and vegetable to Kathmandu city. The sauni of a restaurant was kind enough to offer me 'kagati pani' as no Coke was available in the village. 


21. who cares

i started to read your articles and listen to your interviews for last 2/3 yr.

you used to be one of the brilliant analysts, but you seem to have changed.

i am not suppose to say this but, as far as i can remember, you have started to support maoist terrorist since the day you hated maoist terrorist the most.

have you really started to believe in their ideology (which they really do not have), or this is just your game plan.

if this is just your game plan then you are wasting your time. cause, nepalese are opportunists and idiots, and one man can not make a big difference.




i really want to know what you think about:

*what maoist terrorist represent, you think they represent?

*you have been saying, those who have are afraid of maoist and they are trying to block them. so how far do you think those who do not have can go? how can we change nepal's socio economy? what is right and what is wrong? what is humane and what is inhumane? is becoming billionaire through hard working sin and khatas can kill, beat, insult them just because they are intelligent and hardworking.?




political analysts love to divide politics into rightist and leftist.

but for me rightist are evil, dictator, feudal from the very past and leftist are those dreamers who want to take place of rightist and was born later.

those commie ideology is just a garbage, but good enough bait to lure idiot rats to get into power and hang on to power with the help of gun.

govt. running company, business really do not work especially after management, technology have become too complex. this is not the time of marx or mao when there used to be agriculture and simple industry economy.

people need to wake up.Â


 i want to read your thoughts(clear, whole- article), one article for one segment.





22. prb
the media understands enough, so do the people, 
mr lal u are a communist (maoist), admit it, lal is ur true color, 
u and the likes of ABC news channel trying to sell us ur propoganda
trying to tell us that we are blind
pahleeeessss dont insult our intelligence, 
we see straight through u
take ur BS elsewhere




23. Thurpunsich
"As long as its supply lines are open, the residents of Kathmandu do not worry much about whatever is happening elsewhere in the country."

You seem to be saying "put up or shut up".

"the majority of the nearly four million Nepalis in Kathmandu are first-generation immigrants"

Source?

"Ever since the country embraced wholesale liberalisation,"

Liberalization of what? Economy? When did it happen?

"Central grants have been used to hire mechanical excavators to dig roads so that mini-trucks carrying cola, beer bottles and biscuits can be delivered safely and cheaply to every doorstep."

Sounds so much like Arundhati Roy-wannabe. Anti development. Or, condemn development claiming it only benefits the "elites" of Kathmandu. What load of crap.

"Remittance inflows and the cash from land sales have been spent to acquire motorbikes and mobile phones that burden one's monthly 
budget without adding anything to income."

You don't want, you don't buy. Let those who want to buy, buy. Free will, Mr. Lal. Unless you want to live under Prachanda's "dictatorship of the proletariat" and give up everything and share poverty..

"In a consumer economy, market expansion is more important than building irrigation channels or providing basic services"

Do you see Nepal through a tinted glass or with just your left eye? Who is using force to stop construction of hydro projects?

"Community radio or commercial television, everybody advertises soda drinks, noodles or English 'boarding' schools. The media explosion since the 1990s has hardly given voice to the voiceless."

Not even the owner of the paper you write for regularly will flatout disagree with your business model of running a media company. They need advertisement revenue. Everything is not black, white and grey. It's not the responsibility of businesses to indulge in political-economy. Businesses do just one thing--maximize profit while complying with all laws, regulations, rules. You run a business and tell me if you can do otherwise. Social justice is a collective responsibility, not a business responsibility. Stop politicizing everything. Take your political glasses off, once in a while.

"The media has missed the real story "

Why don't you give us the story, then? You are part of it.

"Most participants at the protest rallies have perhaps come to the city of their own accord."

Thank god, you at least used the operative word "perhaps" in there. Otherwise, I'd have called you "the" omniscient being.

... I'm tired of reading further. So, here I stop with an advice: Be more objective, less judgmental.










24. Srijan
"True, they have been often brutal in their methods, but at least they are one of their own..." So, it seems you pretty much approve their extortion, threat, torture, murder.....Since you old Master's(Girija) demise, you have been drifting toward maoist!! Just like maoist, don't we have a right to live, work, express ourselves without fear of maoist backlash??  You all but reject middle and upper class Kathmanduites!!


25. kamal

Again, C.K Lal is right.


26. Suman pandey

Among the kathmandu-based intelluctuals, if there is one who has at least some idea what going in nepal's hinterlands, it is ONLY CK Lal. Time has proved it once agian that he can provide right analysis of the situation. I appreciate you!



27. KO KO
First I agree with CK Lal - a person who is not a politician but an analyst whose lifestyle, way of thinking, command, controls are flexible and state-of-the art is nonlineant to any preoccupied way of thinking-backed-by-orthodox family discourse.

I think mainly two types of people are in KTM who can influence public-policy formation and do some innovative thinking for our nation. First are those who were traditionally rich - mostly due to sympathy from royals. And second who have migrated from other places and developed (mostly through education and some through business). My opinion is centered towards the second class of people.  

Before doing that i should first also appreciate/adhere to what Lal said about the failure in recognizing the 'actual' status of nepalese by mainstream media. I think the root cause of the problem statement lies mainly on the failure of these two classes and most importantly the second class (see above) of people to know and understand the actual reality of Nepal. While 1-2 generation backs these 2nd category of persons were also similar to the andolandaris seen last week on street, they seem to have forgotten their root of origin and have been quite dissolved in KFC, Sherpa Mal, facebook gangs of the indigenous elites of KTM. 

Yes Lal i think has correctly pointed out that 'financial motive' of mainstream media has completly denied real situational analysis. But the main problem is this second class of confused people whose sibblings have forgotten their origin routes and considered themselves as high sounding people full with fragrance. 

These new age people should at least allocate 5 minutes of their busy life (perhaps majority from their lucridious facebook surfing time) to just think that MAJORITY OF NEPALESE ARE EXACTLY LIKE THE ONES SEEN LAST WEEK ON STREETS AND MAJORITY OF KATHMANDUTIES NOW ALSO HAVE NEARLY SIMILAR ANCESTORS FEW GENERATIONS BACK (some even now).

I HUMBLY REQUEST THEM AND OF COURSE THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA TO ALSO DO SOME APPRECIATIVE INQUIRY OF THESE HELPLESS AND HUNGRY CROWD AND HELP BRING THE VOICE OF POOR PEOPLE WITHOUT UNDERMINING THE FRUITS OF DEMOCRACY INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR APPERANCE, ORDOUR AND DIALECT.

THANKS

KO KO


28. G Shyam
Very good piece. Lal will be proved correct. It wll take some more days.

29. proud ktm-ite

If you hate Kathmandu and its denizens so much, why don't you go and live in Janakpur, you hypocrite?!



30. lallu
I agree with Mr. Lal's analysis, but I do not agree that the maoist leadership are honest and out there to help the poor people that support them, voluntarily or otherwise.

the maoist leaders are just a smart bunch of dacoits who use the downtrodden for their own selfish ends - i am sure mr. lal understands this.....why he chooses not to expose the maoist leadership is beyond me - either he has been threatened .....or his subconscious repression of growing up as a "madhesi ousider" is distorting the real picture 


31. Arthur
Lal salaam ;-)


32. thuski
Kathmandu as 'a self-contained country within a country' is by the far the most accurate description of this godforsaken city. And yes, finally a hold on one of the main arteries of what exactly is wrong with the media and with the capital's population. This analysis is in no way supporting the Maoists or their persuasion strategy and some people seem to have misread the whole ethical didactic behind this article. Is it hard to accept a simple fact like how the media fails to bring coherence in reporting different sides of the political realm? Surely there are two sides to a coin. I failed to read a single news that would have made the plight of the villagers ( whom we should consider as Nepalis rather than maoist supporters for once) come forth. For sure many came without being given any choice, but many must have come willingly. As Mr.Lal says- what else is there to do?

When better alternatives arrive for villagers, there will be no need to head to the capital to walk the streets and sing or dance?




33. Sunita Tiwari
I predicted (29) in (2). 

34. another ktm-ite

So, what? Just because someone's a poor villager he/she has the right to shut down the lives of other people endlessly? And just because someone happens to be an urbanite, specifically Kathmnduite, he/she should feel guilty for the poverty of the nation, and deserves a second-class citizen status?

Who made JA I and II successful? Who ultimately delivered the death-blow to the king and gave the Maoists the chance to improve things for the poor?

This Lal, really, is an idiot. Alright, a loonie. A jealous, bitter, confused loonie. Nepalis give him way too much credit as an "intellectual"!

As for #33: Wah-wah, madam Tiwari! Unbelievable! What genius! ...happy?

 



35. Sampada Malla
CK jee, didnt expect such an article from u...how can u be so illogical


36. jange
Please note that Dr. Lal is commenting on the media and not on the political situation.


37. jange
Only one question remains:- Should the Maoists be allowed to continue using violence as a means to achieve their political ends?

Until you answer this question clearly and unequivocally all your analysis will be meaningless.


38. Bhusan
I think CK Lal is to the point. Where do we see any politicians or civil servants or media taking any initiative to analyse situation of rural Nepal. 

@ people who think Maoists lured the people for the protest that might be true, but here is the point even so many well educated people (who commented over here against people's sovereignty) are just conservatives nailed to outcast that change comes without changing our unequal society

What do u call a situation in which there was a epidemic of dysentery n more than hundreds lost their life.

Ex. None of the governments were able to widen the road of Kalanki outpost which Maoists government did....

I have sincere request for guys who are educated please accept that we need to help people from all parts of Nepal n change collectively.
I am not saying we need Communism but "Kathmandu is NOT Nepal, Nepal means from Mechi to Mahakali"..................


39. baba
I agree with Mr. Lal. see the message he is trying to put across, don't just come to a conclusion of accusing personally.




40. Nick Sharma
Phrase it differently, Jange- Should we continue to breathe stale air or should we allow some fresh air to come in???.....That's the question.

41. Pramod Rana
A must read piece! This is CK Lal at his best. Thanks, Mr. Lal.

42. Leo
One thing i agree with Lalu ji is the biasness of Nepali media and the ignorance among Kathmanduities about the harsh condition of people "reluctant"to live in remote places of Nepal. And yes, the state should look to eliminate poverty, not the poor. But is it too late? Can all those brainwashed people be pursued to live an honest life once again? This is what worries me!

43. Sumati
In his article titled 'The Metropolitan Media', Mr. C.K. Lal has actually accused the Kathmandu-ites and its inhabitants of being blind to the woes of the people in the other parts of the country. According to him, this very ignorance and arrogance of the Kathmandu denizens has lead to the indifferent behavior towards the ones who came from remote parts of Nepal for May Day rally and subsequent protests in the streets of Kathmandu.

Moreover, he blames this on the capitalistic system of governance, which focuses more on the market expansion and media expansion , which has engulfed the immigrants to the valley in such a way that they fail to identify with the origin, that they belong to. Besides, without any hesitation he has pointed out that, it is media who is playing catalyst for all this- Kathmandu-centric news coverage, Kathmandu-oriented businesses and Kathmandu-controlled media, failing to stand for the nation and nationality as a whole when it is needed most.

Yes, I agree completely with what Mr. Lal has to say in the very beginning, that most of the people of Kathmandu explicitly shut our eyes and remain and untouched and unaffected with happens with its own hinterland.  True, there are few such people who forget themselves, for the care they do for their countrymen from remote areas but how many of us know about people who struggle even for a single meal every day. True, there are few such people who work in far-off areas giving up the luxury and money in the city but how many of us even care about how many people died in the flood or where the bus accident took place or who was raped and not given justice or how many Nepalese were left stranded helplessly in the Arab countries.  So, the exceptions are far little and rare in the mass,or almost lost. Furthermore here generalization is a not a wrong thing to do, especially if we look back at the recent events in the country, or even look at ourselves for a moment.

Not going back so far, for instance, I don't exactly remember of Madhes Andolan as such, not because I didn't read any newspapers or watched news at that time but because this ' non-Kathmandu-centric event' of great importance and significance to the country, was never emphasized as it should have been. Why media would emphasize on such an issue and why would be the 'civilized and standard' people of the capital city care about Madhesis-"They are not one of us, are they?" Only, after being a media student, I came to know about the whole issue in depth. And yes, there are very few media students in Kathmandu.   I realized where I stood as a Kathamandu-ite; it was quite far from where the non-Kathmandu-ites stood.

Another example, there was a devastating flood in Karnali River, two monsoons back, hundreds of people died, hundreds and thousands were affected and displaced. The people in power from Kathmandu took ages to get them relief aid, even after knowing that such a flood was very much possible and they could have worked cautiously to minimize the destruction that it eventually caused. But they didn't, least they cared about it. Though, the natives of the Kathmandu valley and other parts of the country did raise funds to help those in need but it was far more insignificant to what the disaster actually did cost to them. Not to forget, hundreds of big industries and business organizations did actually gave away donations, but very minimal in comparison to the profit that they make, and I doubt, did they do that actually with an intention to help or to see their names printed in Newspapers in bold, in the list of donors. Any publicity is a good publicity!

And then, there was the diarrhea epidemic outbreak in Jajarkot last year, costing more than 300 lives and threatening the lives of thousands. Diarrhea is a very well preventable disease, but who cared about it in the capital city, at a time when people just got to taste a Brazilian chicken in KFC and have a bottle of coke like anything. I never heard any of my acquaintances talking about the diarrhea epidemic. They did talk in length about U.S. presidential elections, favoring Mr. Obama and company, talked without sighing about Angelina Jolie's extended family and Saif-Kareena affair and god-knows-what-else but very few knew where Jajarkot was located? Is it in Nepal?

Well, I can't deny the fact there are exceptions, the good ones. But these exceptions, these people who 'care' get lost in the sea of the ones who don't!

Sometimes I think, being a Kathmandu-ite myself, is this happening because there are always wrong things happening everywhere in the country with impunity hovering above all and that also in such a rate that people have become immune to these incidents  and the people involved in them, in a way?



44. Arthur
jange,

#25
Posted on: 11 MAY 2010 | 2:27 PM NST

#37
Posted on: 11 MAY 2010 | 2:32 PM NST

#24
Posted on: 11 MAY 2010 | 2:33 PM NST

#48 Posted on: 11 MAY 2010 | 2:34 PM NST

#19 Posted on: 11 MAY 2010 | 2:35 PM NST

#40
Posted on: 11 MAY 2010 | 2:42 PM NST
 
#2   Posted on: 11 MAY 2010 | 2:57 PM NST

Is there some point to this cut and paste repetition? Wouldn't it have more impact if you at least pretended to be responding to what others are saying instead of just repeating your mantras?

Are you feeling more isolated now that more people are joining in from different points of view and feel a need to compensate by repetition?

Also I am puzzled, if there is some point to this repetitive chanting, why not also add it to some of the other topics?

You seem to only have last week's mantra at:

#2 
Posted on: 07 MAY 2010 | 3:13 PM NST

and a slight variation on a previous mantra at:

#1
Posted on: 07 MAY 2010 | 3:59 PM NST

Surely you could have added the current mantra to those two and there are even other topics where you haven't said anything at all?

Are you becoming bored and lazy with your assigned duties.

Are you being paid per comment?

Anyway it took you a whole 30 minutes from 2:27 to 2:57 for only 7 repetitions.

Let's see how quickly it can be exposed in all 9 topics with some automation. I'm hoping for only 2 minutes from earliest to latest, but it may depend on the moderation.


45. Satya Nepali (1)

I disagree that there's a "collective failure" among the Kathmanduites (and the media) to understand the "motivation of the protesters". Most Kathmanduites know very well that the country is very unequal and that this needs to be changed. There was overwhelming support for the Maoists in Kathmandu too. Many Ktm-ites voted for the Maoists. Prachanda won one of his seats from Ktm. Would this happen if there was a "collective failure" to understand the plight, and hence the "motivation", of the rural poor? It's a cliché to accuse Ktm-ites of ignorance and negligence of the hinterlands. It's false and unfair. Ktm-ites do care. Their activity in JA-II, the CA elections, and their tolerance and acceptance of the Maoist atrocities for 4 long years since 2006 prove it!



46. Satya Nepali (2)

On the contrary, there is a "collective failure" among the rural populace to understand that supporting the Maoists to trample on everybody's freedoms and rights is the main obstacle to progress today. Inequality in the country will not be solved if the constitution building process is constantly delayed like this. Inequality will not be solved by shutting down everyone's life for days on end! This is the message that the media should take all over the country, especially to the rural people. If smth needs changing, it is this. Instead of just criticising the Maoists blindly, the media should spread the message why they are wrong!



47. SN (3)

I hope other journalists and columnists stand up to CK Lal's clichéd and untrue accusations against Kathmandu. Here is a man who gets by by taking the easy route of appearing to support the downtrodden by raving at the well-to-do. Lal is a master at this. He honed this technique ranting against the king (when he was still around), and now with the big, bad aristocrat gone, he needs someone else to carry on his time-tested, glib methods. NT, better watch out. Better demand more thoughtful pieces from this columnist. He seems to have come up with an easy model, a pattern, that can be written and re-written with the characters changed.

Take out the veneer of his good writing skills and you will see, not only that he's not saying much of value, but saying what's untrue!  



48. jange
# 40- Murder, loot and extortion is not fresh air. If Maoists cannot conduct their politics without resort to violence then they should not be doing politics.


49. Sunita Tiwari
Sumati,

Yours is one of the best comment I've ever read in this portal. Sadhubad! 

I too didn't knew the extent of Madhes Andolan. At its peak, I called my uncle at Janakpur to let him know I'm visiting them. He was literally mad at me. He told me that 'pahades' were beaten and even killed if they were seen anywhere. He himself was hiding amongst his madhesi friend's house. Don't you know anything about it, don't you read newspapers there, he asked me.

Well, I did. But thanks to the various national 'metropolitan media', I was extremely far from the ground reality. Later, they fled Janakpur and came to stay with us for some time. Then, after listening to their stories, I knew something about it. 

On a similar note, Mr. Lal writes '....failure to understand the motivation of protestors'. The media not only failed to understand the motivation of 'torn shirt' protestors, but also of the 'white shirt' ones. Since most of my friends were in Basantapur and that my facebook is filled with pictures of their presence in the rally, I know their motivation, at least of most of them.

They were not there for peace of Nepal as a whole, as suggested by the 'Metropolitan Media'. If they had been, where were they when around a dozen people were being butchered each week throughout a decade? 
They didn't gave a damn about it because their lives were not directly affected by the conflict. Now that their 'zone of comfort' were suspended for 150 hours or so, they became desperate. Facebook status like 'bored', 'lazy', 'missing...' proves this.

My friends were there because they missed two glasses of chilled beer, hangout, boyfriend(s), girlfriend(s), disco, parties and so on. More than this, they couldn't stand never seen before people, uncombed women and unshaved men, with torn clothes and stitched flip flops, singing and dancing in a 'pakhe' manner, in songs they never heard before and in a language they hate to listen, right in front of their 'home, sweet home'.

And 'Metropolitan Media' wants us to believe that 'white shirt' were there for 'peace'. And that the poorest of the poor were here for war.

No surprise, many people believe this. Bush Jr., with the help of 'Fox News' made the Americans believe that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction before attacking it.


50. Ram thapa

CK Lal was a NC supporter earlier, and now he has started supporting Maoists. It is nothing more than opportunitism....Wish we had an honest public intellectuals.

 



51. JP
I just wonder all these people, who are supposed to be supporting the real people, the people that live all over the country...I wonder how they would feel when you call them "torn t-shirts"? All this patronising is coming from the extreme left than it is from anywhere else. This sukila mukila talk didn't come from the people at peace rally. They chose white because it symbolises peace and now it has become a matter of who own a bigger bag of Surf. And really I wonder how the people sitting on those streets everyday, those "REAL" people would feel when you call them dirty. 

And Sunita Tiwari, did you really talk to your friends and did they really tell you they hated the non-Kathmandu-ites pakhey music? So, you think they went to the rally because they were bored from sitting at home, and could not meet their boyfriends? So, basically they do not have any convictions, or beliefs. They just don't like their lifestyle interrupted. 
Perhaps you need new friends. Or they need new ones.

If anything, you are the ones who think you are above the rest of us. 


52. another ktm-ite

Three loud cheers to JP! This Tiwari's just spitting venom against all Ktm 'coz she has problems with her friends' lifestyle. (Jeaous that your friends have boyfriends (while you don't), ma'am?! 

Madam, realize that many of us went there 'coz we despise the constant interruption by Maoists to our work and professional life too, not just parties etc. And anyway, if we drink beer and chillout and party or whatever, we do so, 'coz we worked for it, we earned it, and it's our right to live our life as we choose! Did we steal your money to enjoy our life? So what's your problem? Unlike you, we don't go around patronizing and pontificating about how others should live their lives! And as Satya Nepali pointed out above, Kathmandu ppl are not averse to change. We have done our bit to bring about change. We too want inequality in our country to be reduced, but shutting down the country endlessly is NOT THE WAY TO DO IT! That's the point. Get a grip on yourself, wench!



53. Arthur
Despite #46 and many other posts pushing for regression, I think Satya Nepali makes a very good point in #45.

As Prachanda, a CA member elected from Kathmandu, recently admitted, it is a mistake to label all or even the overwhelming majority of middle class KTM people as not caring or fools.

Certainly there are far too many trapped completely inside their bubble, and many of them are quite disgusting. Prachanda is always optimistic and he may be exaggerating when he now says that only 1% of Nepali intellectuals are fools. But certainly most of the intellectuals and middle class people saying foolish things are not actually fools and should be helped to see more clearly what kind of country they actually live in and how the majority of people live, so that they will understand and participate in the necessary changes that the poor will insist on.

As well as wrong, it is also unhelpful to dismiss the people trapped in the KTM bubble. It is necessary to prick the bubble and educate the ignorant people trapped inside because they too will be needed in the new Nepal. If they are just dismissed as hopeless it won't help. The large majority of poor peasants in Nepal were also ignorant, superstitious and apathetic. It was easier for them to learn that they can change both themselves and their world, but the harder task of teaching that to the KTM bubble people is also necessary.

This thread is interesting as a much wider range of views has started to appear. Go through the posts carefully and you will see several new commentators on the same side as Sumita Tiwari #49 and Sumati #43. Quite a few actually. There are also more people with different views on the other side instead of just the same old repetitive chanting.

I think this must be part of a much wider process of discussion that is breaking out among middle class Nepalis including both KTM and NRNs.

Let's hope those who have joined in on both sides continue posting in next week's and future Nepali Times - both in response to articles they agree with and articles they disagree with as well as responding to other commentators.

Even those who post in defence of the bubble they live in are by that very act starting to emerge from the bubble and look around. In the long run this can only be good.


54. Siddhartha
To my knowledge, CK Lal is a left-inclined analyst. So, I could somewhat guess which direction this article would follow before reading it.
I appreciate how Mr. Lal points out the shortcomings of our system. They seriously need to be worked upon. However, showing the bookishly negative aspects of capitalism and free market cannot justify what Maoists have been doing till now. I have some serious problems with few of his views:

"Most participants at the protest rallies have perhaps come to the city of their own accord. At least some have defied the whip of the Youth Force (the militant youth wing of UML) to respond to the call of local Maoist commissars. But the media coverage in Kathmandu has made it look as if gullible villagers have been either lured or threatened into taking part in protest programs."

Youth Force is not even 5% as active as YCL. I bet if more than a tiny fraction of Nepalese have even heard the name of YF. On the other hand, I am sure every non-Maoist Nepalese has some kind of fear of YCL and that includes me as well. Moving to the next point, are "gullible" villagers, who barely know how to read or write, smart enough to understand what Maoism is all about and fight for its sake? They have been either lured or threatened, which is a truth, not a media-propagated hoopla. When asked what did those villagers want through their protest, their common response was "to make Puspa Kamal Dahal the new PM of Nepal", nothing else.

"At least since the mid-nineties, the only mediators villagers in Nepal have seen are the Maoists. True, they have been often brutal in their methods, but at least they are one of their own."

Why did Maoists win so many seats in the CA election? Because, like CK Lal, most of the Nepalese, including the villagers and urban ones, believed that Maoists had something to offer to every Nepalese citizen, peace to the urban denizens and economic prosperity to the villagers. However, till now they have proved to be a fiasco in every front. If you observe closely, you can see a good hint of Stalin in Prachanda's personality. I don't want a Stalin to rule over my nation at any cost. And they have not mediated the cause of the villagers till now despite having the power to do so. Instead, what they are doing is to create a rift between the middle and the lower class ( Listen to Prachanda's Maila-Dhaila versus Sukila-Mukila speech for reference). If they do so successfully, a civil war is inevitable.


55. jange
#51 and #52

I think you are being unduly harsh to Sunita Tiwari. Her threads are a true reflection of fundamental Maoist principles and we should appreciate someone sticking up for their principles.

One of the fundamental principles of our Maoists is that if one person has something and another person doesn't have it then it is axiomatic that the person who has it is an "exploiter" and the person who doesn't have it has been deprived and has been exploited.

Therefore it follows that the person who has it must be deprived of what he has in order to provide justice to the person who doesn't have it.

And this applies equally to money, beer, clothes, boyfriends, girlfriends, knowledge, etc. etc.

That is the basis of Lal's article and all the arguments in this thread.


56. Arthur
My count of commentators in this thread is:

Mainly agreeing with the article (22):

Sunita Tiwari, biplab, nishma, Rupak, binod shah, Chomsky, Steve, KG, Ramesh Adhikari, kamal, Suman Pandey, KO KO, G Shyam, Arthur, thuski, Bhusan, baba, Nick Sharma, Pramod Rana, Leo, Sumati.

Mainly disagreeing with the article (22):

Ram Bahadur, zarathustra, pravasi nepali, sara, Pramod, never mind, reb, surya, Jeffrey, Sanjay, who cares, prb, Thurpunsich, proud ktm-ite, lallu, another ktm-ite, Sampada Malla, jange, Satya Nepali, Ram Thapa, JP.

Some of the views I have classified on each side are more complex. Many on each side are just short announcements of support or opposition without entering into discussion.

There are lots of abusive and insulting comments among the "mainly against", and none among the "mainly for" so I have guessed that zarathrustra (removed by moderator) should also be counted as against. I have also included jange as mainly against, although his remarks were just chanting his mantra without saying anything specific about the article as usual.

This does seem to be a significant change in the level of participation here. While it cannot accurately reflect discussions elsewhere, I think it must be the result of more people becoming involved generally and points to the possibility of serious debate in which people actually respond to each other's arguments developing in discussion of future articles here.

Congratulations to Nepali Times for establishing a comments mechanism that could help develop more mature political discussions in Nepal!


57. Naren
The last word on CK Lal...the man is showing his true colour: Lal. It is hard to explain the transformation of my favourite pro democracy columnist into someone who condones violence and is an apologist for Nepals own version of the Khmer Rouge. Was he coerced or bought? Or both?


58. Slarti

This and articles by leftists in other papers is obviously an attempt to change the subject and shift the focus away from the collective failure of all commentators and politicians that they would be asked to account for.

Meanwhile, you have to deconstruct the entire article to really understand that Mr Lal is trying too hard to make his case by making several questionable assumptions –

 The first assumption is that "the residents of Kathmandu do not worry much about whatever is happening elsewhere in the country". I simply don't see much point to this.

"People" in Kathmandu, "people" in Janakpur and "people" in Humla and everywhere else care deeply about what is happening elsewhere in the country. But the fact is that there is nothing they can do about it other than to hope that sense would prevail, someday. This is simply because unlike the politics obsessed wreckers of peace, they have to do real work and sometimes try to be happy in the middle of this hopeless adversity. 

More interestingly, this line ignores the fact that there were mothers in Kaski and Mustang, traders in Saptari and Biratnagar, farmers in Nawalparasi and a whole host of other people who showed frustration at what Maoists were doing. None of them belonged to a separate country within a country and neither were they (necessarily) middle class.

Shocking that one would assume that the people in Kathmandu could not make much of the different dresses and languages and accent.  

Villages do not hold any hope, in case nobody noticed, most of everything else has been stagnating. And you really have no idea how bad the village(r)s are faring and how deep the fear and hopelessness is.

One of the reasons, actually the only reason, why we cannot gauge the level of frustration in the countryside is because people cannot visit their ancestral homes and their family still in these rural areas any more. Mainly because there is palpable fear throughout the country of kidnaps, murder and similar travesty's.

The country never embraced wholesale liberalisation, maybe theoretically they were moving in the direction. Recall that India opened up in '91 and saw accelerated growth about ten years later. This was despite the fact that parts of India already had the level of infrastructure that leads to economic breakout. Nepal was never actually allowed to find its feet in the post communist world. 

The bit about consumer economy is a bit …what can I say…….taking toxicity to a new level, a surface understanding that does not deserve much attention.

I could go on.....

It is very important to understand that Mr Lal does find an interesting aspect of the whole drama, that all these people who were out on the streets, both in KTM and elsewhere were giving a loud message - things have just gone too far!!!

Meanwhile, the greatest victory that the Maoist have scored is that suddenly we find ourselves discussing what all of us know is not the point at all. And variations of this same article have appeared elsewhere, why? 



59. subhash shah
nicely crafted analysis.  thanks CK Lal Jee.

60. PR
How much bile people have... and wish to freely express...Count the comments that really analyse the article and count the ones that just shout. Why are we so intellectually depleted.. Cannot even think properly.

Mr. Lal, you are an intellectual, a rare breed in Nepal. Keep up.


61. Gopal
  Yet another brilliant piece Mr. Lal, kindly keep them coming. This is a great example of hope: there still exist some sanity among the literati in Kathmandu. Nepali people will not forget your contribution towards justice and peace in Nepal.


62. sheela
An unbiased analysis.

63. mahalika

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